Rachel Nabors ([info]crowhen) wrote,

Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina are misleading bastards.

This post started as a cheery update of how I'm doing, but between when I started writing and when I finished, I got some bad news. So that post is coming later.

Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina only wants to reimburse me for $2,000 of my $16,000 worth of pre-approved jaw surgery. Here's how my conversation with them went:

Me: Hi there! I wanted to know how much you'll be reimbursing me for my recent massive jaw surgery? The surgeons required payment up front, so I took out a $16,000 loan to cover it. I'd like to pay that back as soon as possible.

BCBS: Let's have a look... ah yes, you'll be reimbursed $2,000.

Me: What? But I thought my health insurance plan covered 70% of out of network fees with a $1,000 deductible.

BCBS: Yes, but we only allow $4,000 for this surgery. We only cover 70% of the $4,000 after your $1,000 deductible.

Me: That's a large gap. Why wasn't I told about this?

BCBS: It says it somewhere in your plan.

Me: I mean why didn't anyone tell me that Blue Cross Blue Shield would only "allow" for a quarter of the cost of this surgery?

BCBS: We have an estimator thingy somewhere in the bowels of our site.

Me: No one told me about that. I didn't even know what "allowable" meant until now. Heck, I didn't even realize it was in my plan!

BCBS: Really? Too bad. But how were we to know that your surgeon would charge you so much. I bet they were trying to pull the wool over your eyes, hiking up their prices and sticking you with the bill. We fight on behalf of--

Me: But you knew how much it cost.

BCBS: Pardon?

ME: I submitted a detailed price list for this operation six months ago for pre-approval. I went through six months of appeals. I went to the your headquarters in Chapel Hill on a work day to plead my case. I went through hell and back over $2,000? You would really waste the time of dozens of people and professionals over two thousand dollars?

BCBS: Well, the appeals people don't really know what anything costs. You should have used the estimator.

Me. Please pass my suggestion to your superiors that this fabled estimator needs to be mentioned somewhere on the procedure approval letter.

BCBS: We estimate that this procedure should cost only $4,000. That's how much our in-network people would have done it for.

Me: If I recall, I did in fact try to see an in-network surgeon associated with a university. His office was dark, his staff barely there, and he merely "eye-balled" my jaw instead of actually measuring it. And he never returned any of my calls, and believe you me, I hounded him. (Sounds to me like the in-network surgeons would rather be out-of-network or not bother at all.)

Listen, I work with a girl who saw a similar "cheap" surgeon. The state sent her there. He butchered her face. Her teeth were off by a full inch. She had to see another surgeon who performed the procedure yet again after which she was wired shut. Now she looks like the bionic woman in her dental x-rays. She went through this horrible, painful, disruptive surgery twice, and she didn't need to. It ended up costing everyone.

This is not a four thousand dollar procedure. The equipment they used to measure my face and make my splint, the number of staff members who had to be there all along the way, their ability to return phone calls, I assure you, it was worth every penny. The final bill was less than the estimate even.

I did my homework. I got estimates from several surgeons. They were all in the same price range, and he's not driving a Ferrari, so stop suggesting he's pulling the wool over my eyes when your own company officials get Christmas bonuses.

I've gathered estimates from many surgeons. This is how much it costs.

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Okay, I didn't say it like that, and he wasn't an asshole, but that's the gist of it.

Yes, I plan to appeal. And appeal. And appeal. I'm going to waste as much of their time as possible now. They have wasted plenty of mine.
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[info]jkcarrier

September 15 2010, 01:29:48 UTC 1 year ago

But of course, we don't need health care reform in this country, because the system works just fine. :\

I'm really sorry to hear about this latest setback. Good luck in getting it resolved. Absolutely, pester the hell out of them...in my experience, that's usually the best way to get results from any large bureaucracy.

[info]ldragoon

September 15 2010, 18:12:49 UTC 1 year ago

But of course, we don't need health care reform in this country, because the system works just fine. :\

I endorse this sarcasm and add a heaping spoonful of my own.

[info]silveradept

September 15 2010, 20:46:54 UTC 1 year ago

We drown this sarcasm in sarcasm sauce, bitter flavor, and then sprinkle black sarcasm sprinkles over it.

[info]hawkward

September 15 2010, 21:22:15 UTC 1 year ago

And we serve this bitter sarcasm dish in a sarcasm trebuchet, aimed squarely at Blue Cross Blue Shield.

[info]ldragoon

September 16 2010, 03:01:39 UTC 1 year ago

And then bake, at 250F! :D

[info]William R Alford

November 22 2010, 15:02:42 UTC 1 year ago

Do you actually think if she were dealing with government clerks in a single-payer system that it would have been better for her? People are dying on waiting lists in places with government-run health care. They see their doctors with a TIMER running.

I cannot fathom that anyone would think that a system run by DMV clerks could possibly be better.

[info]thedalaimama

September 15 2010, 01:32:04 UTC 1 year ago

Hay-soos!

[info]torgoknees4life

September 15 2010, 03:17:29 UTC 1 year ago

If there's anything I can do, just let me know!!!

[info]taslasness

September 15 2010, 03:28:04 UTC 1 year ago

That's crazy. Like we all have 14K in our back pockets. The system in this country sucks and I'm not sure if the new system will be any better. Positive energy and thoughts to you.

[info]empress_tigress

September 15 2010, 11:09:07 UTC 1 year ago

I think it's time to lawyer up and sue them. For them to guarantee to pay the $16K only to turn around and only give you $2K is ridiculous. I'm sure a lawyer can twist it around as "acting in bad faith" and get you the money to pay the bill and legal fees.

Best of luck to you, dear.

[info]coppervale

September 15 2010, 18:27:32 UTC 1 year ago

Exactly this. Point out the pre-approval in EVERY CONVERSATION.

[info]crowhen

September 15 2010, 18:33:47 UTC 1 year ago

Their defense was that the pre-approval was for the surgery, not the fees. Technically I could have gotten the surgery done any old place after it was approved. (That makes no sense to me, as I have to work with a surgeon on what procedures are necessary, and each surgeon might have a different evaluation--so why would I go changing horses midstream?)

Indeed, I might have done that if they had told me up front that they would only reimburse me for $2,000. But they mentioned no such numbers.

[info]captspify

September 15 2010, 13:42:13 UTC 1 year ago

Good luck!

I had a similar thing happen from Blue Shield of California. They pre-approved it and then after told me that the anesthesia wasn't approved (This was for an In-Plan Doc). Luckily for me, I was able to have them write it off as a "I won't do this again" learning experience.

Good luck to you, hope it turns out well!

|:/

[info]ldragoon

September 15 2010, 18:11:29 UTC 1 year ago

OMG

I want to punch people.

[info]silveradept

September 15 2010, 20:50:34 UTC 1 year ago

Perhaps the insurance people need to change their estimates so that they actually reflect the cost of the procedures, instead of some cheapass lowball. Not to mention the deceptive practice if you gave them every opportunity to tell you what they were actually going to cover and they didn't mention it. Gaaaah. Hope they pay up or that you can get the attention of someone who will make them pay up.

[info]crowhen

September 16 2010, 01:54:25 UTC 1 year ago

I went through all the papers they sent me.

There is no mention of $4000.

[info]silveradept

September 16 2010, 16:38:37 UTC 1 year ago

Wow. that must have been a headache having to decipher all of that. Still, hopefully you have someone who does pro bono consumer advocacy stuff near you that you can take it all to. An insurance company shouldn't be able to screw anyone over like that.

[info]rosalarian

September 15 2010, 21:23:41 UTC 1 year ago

Give 'em hell! Don't let that kind of bait and switch go unchecked.

[info]auroramoveson

September 15 2010, 21:25:11 UTC 1 year ago

Grrrr... I'd like to offer useful advice, but hearing about that stunt just made me too stabby to see straight. >:P

[info]smurasaki

September 16 2010, 01:36:14 UTC 1 year ago

The only thing I can say beyond ^%$@$%^%&^&!!!! is that I really, really hope you find some way to wring the money out of them. Bastards.

Anonymous

September 17 2010, 06:04:04 UTC 1 year ago

In insurance there's a term called "reasonable and customary"; basically it means the amount one would normally pay for that type of procedure in the area in which it was performed. I've been told most insurance companies tend to use this as their measurement for coverage or reimbursement - although the older pay schedules (where they say procedure x is covered up to a specific set dollar amount) do exist.
If there is anything in your policy about procedures being covered under a "reasonable and customary" schedule, you've got them in a tough spot and your estimates will probably help a lot. Good luck.

[info]crowhen

September 19 2010, 21:41:44 UTC 1 year ago

I ran a search through my coverage pdf for "reasonable and customary" with no luck.

Thank you for your help, though. The people on the phone indicated that the $4k was somehow reasonable for this area, so it is a good lead. I want them to show that there is an actually surgeon who would perform these procedures for that amount in the area.

[info]kayjkay

September 19 2010, 04:25:20 UTC 1 year ago

Awesome, that's like how I had to pay for a mammogram and ultrasound out of pocket when I found a lump. And they wouldn't pay for the aspiration to make absolutely certain it's not cancer.

And now my aunt has breast cancer.

Thankfully now I'm on better insurance, but they'll probably list it as pre-existing and that I'll have to pay the $800-1600 out of pocket to get it aspirated/removed.

[info]mockturtlearithmetic.myopenid.com

March 26 2011, 21:43:24 UTC 1 year ago

Unbelievable!

How is your appeal going?

[info]crowhen

March 26 2011, 22:05:30 UTC 1 year ago

Urgh, they've beaten me. I've done all the appealing I can. At least I wasted their time.
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